Nice to hear from you. I hope all is well in Germany. In reply to your question. The Ki-haps in the patterns will be posted officially on the ITF web site. They have not been posted yet as we need to re-introduce them enough firstly across the globe. This is why they have been shown at the seminars. You are right when you say some knew as of October 2007. This is because as we teach them, students are spreading the word. As you can imagine not everyone learned the Kihaps when they were taught and therefore if they were announced before being shown to parts of the world, I am sure we would have problems. I know Mr. Malefyt has announced where they are in the patterns. He knows them because I was at a seminar in New Jersey in Novemeber and demonstrated the Kihaps there. As far as judging is concerned, there is no deduction for the use or non-use of the Ki-Haps. When Master Nicholls returns from Hong Kong and Ireland, we will post everything on the web site. I hope this helps to clearify.