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Original Message Post # 1

Mon 28th Apr 2008 10:31

Jon_Mackey

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As a centre referee during a sparring bout, when a warning is being given, what is the point in extending both arms (one closed as a fist, the other open at 45 degrees) before issuing the warning. Seems to me to be a pointless movement taking up time.

For example, the referee calls Haeycho, the competitors stop, referee points at either 'Hong' or 'Chong' then does this movement, before outlining what the warning is for and then issues it.

Maybe it means something, I don't know, so hence the question!

Thanks in advance!

Jon

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Post # 2

Mon 28th Apr 2008 11:57

Mark Skyrme

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Mr Mackey,

I believe that it indicates to the competitor that he/she is about to receive a warning. The next move indicates to the Jury President and Spectators a warning has been issued. There are two, the one you describe (Warning) and another used for point deduction eg Excessive Contact.

Back in the Old Days

there was a further signal issued after pointing to a competitor, letting them know what the warning was for eg. Stepping Outside the ring. This signal has now been removed to (1.) Speed up the process. (2.) Competitors/Coaches are aware what they have done. (3.) Spectators were confused by all the signals which did not bode well for TV coverage.

I have attached a couple of images from an old umpire book showing the extra signal.

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Mon 28th Apr 2008 12:09

Jon_Mackey

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Thanks Mr Skyrme for that!
That makes sense, so the movement outlining the foul has been removed and the double hand gesture is there as a show that you are about to be given a warning? Makes better sense.
So on a Gam Jum, before it is issued are the hands extended like picture 2 above or is it just for warnings, or, is it always used a sign that an infringement has been made?

Thanks again
Jon

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Mon 28th Apr 2008 12:19

Mark Skyrme

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Mr Mackey,

From my understanding when deducting a point the second sign (Image 2) is used, thus distinguishing to the competitor what is about to transpire.

Hope that helps.

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Mon 28th Apr 2008 12:56

Jon_Mackey

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Yes it does, thanks again Mr Skyrme

Jon

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